Ladd and Ree are idiots

by PWSux on May 28, 2011

The following post was published on thepioneerwoman.com May 12, 2009 titled “Something’s Wrong, Part 2” categorized in Horses and The Kids and can be found here.  I have copied the entire post and photos here because it is so disturbing and I wanted to point things out to those who may be unaware of natural horse behaviors.  I’ve also taken screenshots of the entire post because as we’ve seen in the past, Ree may delete the entire thing soon.  If so, I’ll update and edit this post.  My comments are in colored, italic text and the rest is all Ree.

I was going to put the link in the previous post about the Drummond’s treatment of their horses but you’ll see why this made it to a post in itself.  This will be very long and maybe even mind-numbingly boring to some of you but for those who understand horses or learn something from it, you’ll probably be as outraged as I was after viewing it.

First, an aside…..

– This post was published 2 years ago about her 4 year old and there’s no doubt that her baby has grown up a little and probably rides better.  I get that.

– I’ve NO DOUBT that Ree and Ladd love their children and their hearts race at the thought of their children being in danger.  I GET that.

-I do NOT believe that children should be wrapped in bubble wrapped at all times and be protected from every possible danger in life.  That said, I do think it’s parents’ responsible to at least take normal precautions to keep them safe and blatant disregard for that is seriously FUCKED UP.

– Ask any horse trainer or anyone who rides regularly and understands horses, they will ALL tell you that MOST, and yes I mean MOST, wrecks on horses are the direct fault of the rider.  THE HORSE NEVER LIES.  And I’m not bullshitting you at all, call around and ask for yourself.  This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in the horse world.  There is nothing more demoralizing than having a wreck and the person who witnessed it telling you that it was completely your own fault – THEY’RE USUALLY RIGHT.

– Although horses weigh on average 1200 lbs. they are the BIGGEST cowards and scarady cats around.  They are TERRIFIED of many things and look to their rider to lead them through these scary situations which can range from a scary tree, another animal, bag, mailbox, bird, and even their own tail or shadow.  NO, I AM NOT JOKING OR MAKING THIS UP, do a google search and you’ll see for yourself.  When a horse is scared they will automatically act on instinct and many times that instinct is to get that damn human off their back so they can run to a safe zone, usually their barn or their herd leader.  During this time it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the rider to get the horse through their panic by calming them down and remaining calm themselves.  If you can’t do that then you have no business riding the fucking horse and you better learn to fall well.

– Speaking of which, part of learning to ride is learning to fall, I shit you not.  I remember well my own trainer making me gallop bareback in the corral with my eyes closed and arms straight out.  The ultimate goal of this exercise was to learn balance and get my *seat* on horseback but this also taught me how to fall because rest assured I spent MONTHS falling off the damn horse before learning to do it.  Then and ONLY then was I allowed to actually ride the damn horse.  Bottom line is, you’re going to fall off a horse.  You’re going to have a wreck.  You’re going to have a horse panic on you when you’re all alone and no one’s there to save your ass.  So you damn well BETTER know how to keep yourself safe (by properly riding, proper training, and proper safety) and keep that animal safe as well – he fucking DESERVES it.

– During a wreck (actually all the damn time) it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that horses *feed* off their riders.  A horse can feel fear in a rider, they can feel your heart rate, hear your breathing, feel your hands shake and YOU the rider will cause your own fucking wreck if you aren’t calm and relaxed.  If you doubt this, go to You Tube and watch Dressage or videos of bridle-less riding.  You will hardly see foot or rein movements from the riders because they’re giving most of their requests to the horse through the tiniest of signals with their inside leg muscles or even their butt muscles.  My best horse will turn right when I simply squeeze my left butt cheek and LOOK to the right.  He’ll also stop on a dime from a gallop when I barely tilt my pelvis up and let out a deep breath.  This is why those horses used by the public on trail rides are specially trained to nearly completely ignore their riders and just follow the horse in front of them.

– Maybe I’m in the minority of normal people but I can’t for the life of me wrap my brain around thinking it’s perfectly safe to put a four year old on horseback in the middle of a herd of 700 steers.  Picture that for a moment people – SEVEN HUNDRED LARGE STEERS moving around being herded in a huge several hundred acre pasture and a horse carrying a small FOUR YEAR OLD without any adults around, the mother is 50 yards away and the others are concentrating on, you know, the 700 FUCKING STEERS!  Do YA THINK it might not be the best idea?

So with all that, let’s begin looking at her post.

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I hardly knew what hit me. I was over fifty yards away, taking photos of my baby (okay, so he’ll be five in two weeks) riding in on his horse.

REE_5704Everyone else was quite a ways ahead of him; normally, one of his sisters would have stayed behind and walked him in, but there was a snag with the cattle and they had to ride up and help.

They had to leave their wingman.

You never, EVER leave your wingman.

OK, let’s begin with what he’s doing.  Do you see how he’s holding those reins way up in the air like that?  That tells the horse one of two things ….. 1.  The rider is in a panic and doesn’t know what to do with their hands/reins — CLEARLY this will cause the horse to lose confidence in his rider, possibly even panic himself.  2.  When a rider does that in a more controlled manner it gives the command to drop their chin, break at the pole, and collect themselves – arching their backs just a little and getting their back feet under them.  This is what gives that beautiful trot and is called “collection”.

You can also clearly see that his knees and feet are pressing into the horse which is telling Jack to GO.

So at this point Jack is given a choice – listen to his rider’s requests or assume his rider is panicking.  What does Jack do?


REE_5705Right about here, I realized he was crying. “Aww, poor baby,” I thought. “I wonder what’s wrong?”

Well looky there!  Jack dropped his chin, collected nicely – he gave the rider the benefit of the doubt, that’s a good horse right there. But look, he’s STILL giving him the signal to GO, he’s still squeezing, he’s still crying (which you KNOW is making his heart race which means he’s going to panic).  At this point Jack is probably getting nervous because he’s confused and all he can think of is that he’s alone back here with an unskilled rider and all of his herd is WAY UP THERE

And let’s just talk about Ree’s text with this photo.  “I wonder what’s wrong?”  ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?????  Your 4 yr. old is on a 1200 lb animal THAT CAN KILL and that HE CAN’T CONTROL and he’s on this animal ALONE because you’re the closest person and you’re 50 YARDS AWAY!  He’s in the middle of hundreds of acres and not only is his horse getting ready to wreck but over “there” is a herd of 700 steers and who the hell knows just what THEY’RE going to do!

Bitch, just what the hell do you THINK is wrong with the poor kid?  OMG!

REE_5706Several things crossed my mind: he’s hungry (only had nineteen doughnuts instead of twenty), he’s sleepy, he didn’t want his sister to ride off and leave him.

But he’s fallen back and ridden alone before,” I thought. “He wouldn’t be crying about that.”

It’s like that lady in the movie “Airplane” who thinks to herself. “Jim never has a second cup of coffee at home” and “Jim never vomits at home.”

(Sorry. But I’m obsessed with movie lines. It’s how I work through stressful situations.)

So many things here…….. first of all, Jack has moved to a trot now, EXACTLY AS HIS RIDER ASKED HIM TO, as evidenced by his front and opposite back feet lifting at the same time and just look how deep his chin is along with how tight his back leg is collected.  Jack is confused and terrified all alone out there but he is giving this human everything he has and fighting his natural instinct as best he can.  At this point the kid’s got a few seconds to prove he’s the leader or Jack is going to lose it, he can’t keep fighting his instinct much longer.

Then there’s that fucking huge shank curb bit in his mouth.  Curb bits HURT a horse and they hurt badly.  They’re designed for very VERY well-trained horses so that just the SLIGHTEST and I mean SLIGHTEST bit of one-reined pressure to the mouth will cause that horse to react because he KNOWS that if he doesn’t then the rider will pull a little more and that will cause more PAIN to his mouth.  It’s a simple arrangement — do what I ask quickly, efficiently, the first time and I’ll leave your mouth alone but if you don’t (or if the rider panics and pulls back!) then you will feel PAIN.

And then there’s Ree.  Mama.  The person who’s supposed to keep this kid safe.  She got the kid up at, what?, 5:30 or so, loaded him up on doughnuts which, as everyone knows, is just what a hardworking person NEEDS before several hours of labor, and she wonders if maybe he’s upset because he didn’t want his sister to ride off and leave him.

Ya think?

Then, like every good mother watching her baby about to get into a wreck on a horse, she starts quoting movies in her head and then POSTS THAT SHE DOES THAT ON THE INTERNET.


REE_5707And then I heard him. He was really, really crying.

This is virtually identical to the picture above so there’s not much else to say except OMG is she STILL taking pictures of him!

REE_5708And Jack the horse…wasn’t acting right.

Well Ree, you dumbass, the horse was doing EXACTLY what the kid asked him to do and fighting all his natural instincts but it was clearly a losing battle.  The horse was, wait for it….. ACTING LIKE A HORSE!  He’s a 1200 lb baby and was scared out of his fucking mind with a tiny little thing on his back that is SUPPOSED to save him and instead is causing him to panic so after doing the best he could he figured that in order to live he needed run to safety!

REE_5709I was so far away. And the whole thing happened so fast.

Do you see how the kid released a bit of his reins here, relieving the pressure to Jack’s mouth?  See how then Jack relaxed his chin and stretched his neck out a little?  THAT’S A GOOD HORSE!

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See, look at the loose rein.  Jack’s relaxed now that he’s got his mouth back and there’s a break in pain.  He’s still freaking out and needs to get to safety before that kid does something else to him though!

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And BAM! there it is! See how he’s pulled UP and HARD, look at that shank pulled back on Jack’s mouth – that’s PAIN!  Right here, THIS is where Jack gave up and bolted.  I don’t blame him a bit.  This is not Jack’s fault – it’s the rider’s but since this is just a four year old then it’s his PARENT’s fault.

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REE_5713By now I was starting to get concerned. I felt a little frozen, like it was all happening in slow motion.

You are STARTING to get concerned??? You are still taking pictures????? Unfuckingbelievable.

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REE_5718And then Jack really started taking off.

I honestly don’t know what to say here.  Ree Drummond watched this wreck happening and, granted she’s admitted to knowing anything about horses, but her instinct was to quote movies and CONTINUE TAKING PICTURES.

What. The. Fuck.

So Jack has realized that this particular human is NOT going to protect him and he starts a bolt.  He’s been told the whole time to GO so he finally gives in and does it.

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I quickly used my lens to look for help.

REE_5720But everyone was so far away, and the sound of the cattle was drowning out his cries.

That’s when Ree uses her lens to find help.  Cause that’s what you’d do in this situation.

That’s when I threw down my camera and started running. Jack was loping…and jerking…and acting strangely. My baby was hanging onto the saddle horn with all his might, pulling back on the reins as hard as he could. But it was out of his control. It was a terrible sight.

“Jack was loping…and jerking…”   He was “GOING” and panicking because that’s what this FOUR YEAR OLD BOY told him to do Ree!

“…..pulling back on the reins as hard as he could.”  No he wasn’t Ree!  Most of the time he was RAISING THE REINS up to and over his head while squeezing his legs which scared the living shit out of that poor horse and told him to GO!

Ree, I’ve no DOUBT it was a terrible sight!  But it was one that NEVER should have happened and that is absolutely 100% NOT Jack’s fault.  Up to this point he did everything he could, everything AGAINST his natural instinct to protect your kid.  YOU and LADD put that boy on that horse, this was YOUR fault.

Instinctively, I started waving my arms and yelling for someone, anyone—but they were all up ahead with the cattle, unaware of what was happening.

For the love of God, you did WHAT?  Granted you were 50 yards away but still!  You NEVER EVER EVER wave your arms and yell when a horse is bolting!  That is SCARY to a horse and guess what they do when they’re scared?

Exactly.

I saw Jack buck a little; my stomach fell to my feet. My feet started moving faster than they’d moved since I first became a mother twelve years ago. Then finally, I heard one of my girls scream my baby’s name.

In an instant, Josh rode up on his horse and stopped short, jumping off so as not to startle Jack further. I watched as Jack’s front feet began to leave the ground; my baby leaned forward to keep from falling off the back. And the second the horse came back down to the ground, Josh ran around to the side and grabbed him, whisking him away to safety.

Josh ran up to a rearing horse and grabbed your kid?  All I can say is that Josh deserves your blog income for a year.  Maybe more.  They BOTH could have been killed and that he would do that without hesitation….. WOW!

Then my knees turned to viscous slime and my stomach slithered down my knees and became a pool of exhausted desperation on the grassy ground below. I went back to my vehicle and drove to my baby, who fell into my arms and sobbed. Then he told me he wanted to be an accountant when he grows up.

REE_5735Normally it’s best for the punks to get right back on the horse when something like this happens, but since the rest of the group was trying to herd 700 steers through a six-foot gate, there was no time for meaningful life lessons. So Josh immediately hopped onto Jack’s back and rode him hard, turning him in circles and showing him who’s boss. He was kind but firm—it’s important for the horses to know that we—not they—are in charge, particularly when it comes to the kids they’re carrying on their backs.

This is where I part ways with Josh – or maybe Ree misunderstood, or maybe even Josh knows better and just told her what she needed to hear.  Let’s break this down….

“Josh immediately hopped onto Jack’s back…….showing him who’s boss.”  First of all, can you imagine how comfortable that was for Josh in that kid’s saddle?  And yes, he was showing him who’s boss but, more importantly, HE WAS ESTABLISHING HIS LEADERSHIP and calming Jack down.  A panicked horse in a herd of 700 steers isn’t going to help anyone.  Good for Josh.

“It’s important for the horses to know that we – not they – are in charge…..”  Holy fucking shit woman, are you that stupid?  This is true for Josh, for Ladd, for Cowboy Tim, even for your oldest daughter but this IS NOT TRUE FOR A FOUR YEAR OLD CHILD!  When you put a four year old on a 1200 lb horse, GUESS WHO’S IN CHARGE LADY?

Yes, the horse should be trained.  Yes, he should obey requests, but the bottom line is that should that horse panic and try to find a leader in his rider to help him…… a four year old IS NOT going to be that leader and the horse will do what a horse does.  Bolt.  Run to safety.

You are an IDIOT if you believe that a horse, ANY HORSE, will believe a four year old panicking, crying, leg-squeezing, rein pulling kid is in charge of them!  This is like getting into an argument on the road with a semi – you MAY be right but no matter WHAT that driver of a semi does, get the hell out of his way because EVEN IF YOU’RE RIGHT, you could wind up DEAD RIGHT.

You Drummonds might like to fool yourselves into believing that a trained horse should let a panicked four year old lead them and you MIGHT be right, but you also might be dead right.


REE_5736In the horse’s defense, Marlboro Man later pointed out that while normally sweet and gentle, Jack, more than any of the ranch horses, doesn’t like falling behind when his equine brothers are up ahead of him. Normally, he’ll trot or lope gently to catch up. But on this morning, our baby didn’t feel like trotting and kept pulling back on Jack’s reins, trying to get him to stop. A vicious cycle ensued: the more my baby pulled back, the more agitated Jack became since he couldn’t catch up to the other horses, and the faster he went forward. Before long, Jack had had it…and he started protesting.

Well gee, look at that!  Ladd KNEW this horse had a riding issue that just might not be compatible with a child and put him on Jack anyway.  FUCKING DUMBASS!  The ONLY way to fix that is for a well trained rider to stay on Jack far behind the herd and KEEP him calm back there.  Then do it again.  Then do it again.  Then do it about 30 more times.  I’m thinking a 4 year old isn’t capable of doing that.

“A vicious cycle ensued: the more my baby pulled back, the more agitated Jack became since he couldn’t catch up to the other horses, and the faster he went forward.”

No Ree, your baby told him to collect and go forward, which is exactly what Jack did.  Jack protested because he was getting mixed signals AND PAIN from an inexperienced child rider and had a HUGE disservice done to him.  He did the best he could.  This was NOT Jack’s fault, he’s a DAMN SAINT!  This was Ladd’s fault.

My baby said that next time, he thinks he’d like to ride Snip instead.

And to that I say this: at least he’s willing to get back on.

This is also the child that Ladd put on horseback herding cattle and he threw up all day?Is this the one that grabbed the branding iron while working calves?  I’m all for ranching and kids helping around the farm but I have to say, you guys are fucking idiots.  Really truly, just dumbasses. Thank God nothing more serious has happened to your kids.

 

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Homschlr4ever May 28, 2011 at 1:00 pm

Great post. That’s almost the first thing my husband said when he read the post, “What fucking parent would put a four year old on a horse to herd cattle? Where’s the CPS when you need them? We don’t let them drive cars for a reason”
I’ve missed reading you guys, glad I’m back.

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Jessica May 28, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Really excellent post PWS. As someone who knows absolutely nothing about horses, this was really interesting. And I am constantly shocked by some of the things Ree and Ladd allow/make their kids do!

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Amanda May 28, 2011 at 2:02 pm

What a moron. I wonder how many comments say OH LAWSIE MERCY, I HOPE Y’ALL SHOT THAT HORSE. YER BABY IS SO CUTE.

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Karen May 28, 2011 at 2:06 pm

How do you take THAT many pictures when “it all happened so fast”? Did she just keep her finger down on the shutter the entire frakkin’ time? What a moron.

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MyReehurts May 28, 2011 at 2:19 pm

Great insight. I remember reading this post when she put it up. I know nothing about horses but I remember thinking “your kid is crying on a horse and you just stood there taking pictures?”

I totally agree with not putting your kid in a bubble. They are always going to hurt themselves. But, as parents it is our responsibility to not put them directly in harm’s way. In this scenario, there is nothing wrong with a child riding a horse, especially in a controlled setting, under adult supervision. But, this kid is out there riding alone, working cattle? Holy shit! My husband sometimes drives to the mailbox with our son on his lap, as my toddler like to pretend he’s steering. It’s cute. Would we let him get behind the wheel of a moving vehicle alone? Fuck no! He’s a kid, he doesn’t belong driving a car, or riding a horse on a ranch. PW is a bad parent.

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Sandy June 4, 2011 at 8:44 am

I totally agree, these were my thoughts exactly.

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Katie Davis July 24, 2016 at 4:33 pm

I think it’s crazy that you get your children up before it even is wideout I make him ride horses to go feed animals I mean it’s almost like it’s for the call that whenever children are being abused actually read doing an adult work.

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MyReehurts May 28, 2011 at 2:26 pm

For anyone who doesn’t want to click on the actual post. Here’s the first comment:

“OH MY – how scary for you – I hate that rolling stomach feeling” –Yes, poor Ree.

Here’s some randoms:
-“glad both of you are ok, ree”
-“poor mamma!!!”
-“My hands are shaking, how scared you must have been. You handled that much better than I would have. ”
-“How scary for you!! I was biting my nails just reading it! He sure is a tough little guy, you should be very proud of him. And you deserve an extra glass of wine tonight for all the mental duress you survived!”
-“Well you sure are a good mommy!!! ”

I can’t post more, it is making me sick.

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Paula S. May 28, 2011 at 3:01 pm

PWX, this was absolutely NOT boring; it was both educational and alarming.We know why Ree would do this, she’s ignorant, but why would Ladd? I’m no horsewoman; I went on one trail ride when I was in school. As a 58 year old inexperienced woman, the last thing I would do at this stage of life is get on a horse. Unfortuntely, children need parents with enough sense to know when they should not be riding. I like horses, though. I often walk out to the back fence and pet the horses who live behind us. They like to have their noses rubbed and eat apple slices. I never for one second forget how big they are and that they may spook.

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Hellen Wheels May 28, 2011 at 3:05 pm

THANK YOU for posting this, along with your well-informed comments! I have been bitching about this particular post for ages. To send ANY inexperienced rider out among 700 steers – MUCH LESS A 4-YEAR-OLD CHILD – is insanity. Meanwhile, PDumb stands there shooting photos until it dawns on her that her darling baby just MIGHT be in danger, and then she freaks out.

I wonder if she would have waited until the smell of burning flesh alerted her to the fact that her baby had picked up the hot end of a branding iron?!

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Stephanie May 28, 2011 at 3:11 pm

I just found your site, and I love it! 🙂 I remember thinking the same thing when I read this post on her blog. At the time I was pregnant with my first child, but even then I knew 1 – a kid that age has no business on a horse like that, and 2 – only a moron would continue to take pictures rather than PUT THE FREAKING CAMERA DOWN AND HELP THE KID! What mother takes pictures of their scared kid crying and in trouble like that?
I used to be a regular reader of PW. I remember some of the posts she has since edited or removed. I’ll tell you when she started to lose me – the Lodge. When she first discussed the Lodge I envisioned a two or three room cottage type structure. A place to throw a bed, some bunk beds, a kitchenette for convenience. She built a HOTEL with a TV READY KITCHEN! Who builds something like that? What “just-like-you” housewife has the means to do it?
So, anyway, love your site – glad to have found you. Keep on keeping it really real. 🙂

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PWSux May 28, 2011 at 5:54 pm

Well Stephanie she HAD to redo the Lodge like she did for events like this weekend – Food Network is there filming her new show and some of them are staying in the Lodge but the crew’s so big that a few had to stay elsewhere, Pawhuska I think.

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Suz May 28, 2011 at 8:39 pm

On Memorial Day weekend? Wow!! I guess time doesn’t stop at the Food Network. Or the Drummond Ranch. (too bad)!

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PWSux May 28, 2011 at 9:22 pm

I know! I was kind of surprised when I heard that.

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mollys May 29, 2011 at 11:09 am

poor crew i dont think the motel in pawhuska is very fancy or new….

DN May 28, 2011 at 3:47 pm

A friend told me about your site, and I’m simply amazed at your fact-checking ability. Please keep ’em coming.

I used to follow PW too, for the photography assignments and the bleak chance at winning a camera. Once I saw over 20K people trying to win one of her stupid cameras I gave up.

What. A. Fraud.

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The Marlboro Woman May 28, 2011 at 4:56 pm

This is unconscionable. It broke my heart seeing that frightened child crying. Isn’t this the same child who came down with a stomach virus and was still allowed to go riding?

More importantly, don’t they have cell phones on them? Whey the Hell didn’t REEzilla drop her effing camera and call her husband, anyone, and alert them about the situation instead of clicking away? Nah, not Ree. Posting this on her blog was waaaay more important than her child’s safety.

Local CPS officials should be outraged. What more evidence of negligence do they need? Ree’s wrapped it up all nice for them and posted it on the internet.

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Anne May 28, 2011 at 9:43 pm

Or was he forced to ride when he was sick?

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The Ranter August 28, 2011 at 1:52 am

I cannot believe this…okay, so maybe she didn’t pull him off when she thought he was crying just a little. But the moment you realize he’s crying for real? That he’s actually really scared? GET THE HELL OFF YOUR BUTT AND GET YOUR KID. What a dangerous dumbass, the worst kind.

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Sarah May 28, 2011 at 4:57 pm

First, thanks for putting the original post in this post so that I didn’t have to go to PW.com and give her the benefit of my clicks.

Second, I’m astounded that those kids are allowed to ride without helmets on, I get that the adults don’t want to wear them, but if you have a 4 year old on a horse and you’re not making him wear a helmet it must mean that you weren’t wearing one and sustained a significant head injury when you were a child that eliminated all of your own reasoning capabilities. Parents make their kids wear helmets when riding bikes that likely go much slower than a scared horse and are much lower to the ground, so I don’t understand why all of a sudden it’s okay not to protect a child’s head while it’s in a much more dangerous position. Though, now that I think about it, it’s likely the Drummond’s don’t even make their kids wear helmets on their bikes either, so that particular point may be moot.

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Rachel (S[d]OC) June 1, 2011 at 10:16 am

I am so with you on this one. I used to be really into PW because of the beautiful horse photos, but it made me sick to see kids riding around without helmets. PW actually addressed this in her FAQ once where her excuse was that she says Hail Marys every time her kids ride and that all of her kids have fallen off their horse once and survived. She said if they wear helmets, they “won’t learn how to fall”. That was the dumbest thing I ever read. Will wearing a seatbelt make you fail to stop at red lights? You can learn falling techniques and safety as mentioned in this post, and even so you can still hit your heard pretty badly.

At my barn EVERYONE wears a helmets. We have eventers, dressage riders, casual riders, and western trail riders ranging from age 5 to age 70 and eVERYONE is required to wear protective headgear – even the trainers. Horses are fun and usually safe, but so unpredictable. No one’s head is harder than anyone else’s if something happens.

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Indy Gal June 1, 2011 at 11:00 am

I don’t think Ree knows much about riding and I’d be willing to bet she’s getting her info from MM. I don’t think we’ve seen Tim’s kids with helmets, either. My guess is it’s the way it’s always been done and will be done until one of them suffers a severe injury — head or otherwise. I’m not saying that’s right — just the way it’s always been done.

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Kris May 28, 2011 at 5:12 pm

I love the comment from one of the sheep who said, “I’m glad you were able to keep shooting.” And she wasn’t even being sarcastic. *puke*

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Jo May 28, 2011 at 6:05 pm

My Aunt Molly was a horse breeder, and she also taught dressage to kids “tween-age” and up. She would never, ever, allow a child on a horse without a proper helmet. And it had to be properly fitted to the child’s head. In fact, in Canada, the Drummond family would be getting a visit from the Child Protective Services if anyone had seen those pictures, because Canada has very strict helmet laws.

That child is obviously in great distress and traumatized, and that is one patient horse. I wonder how many people logged onto Ree Drummond’s blog and posted how “cute” the whole incident was.

I don’t think Ree reads any of her blog comments, anyway. So all of the folks who log on and post their obsequious and flattering comments are actually talking to dead air. However, she now has a cooking show, an article in the New Yorker, she has been on The View and countless other television programs, and there is a movie in the works, so I’m sure she doesn’t care if anyone comments. That train has already left the station. All the rest of it ~~ ho-hum ~~ but an article in the prestigious New Yorker Magazine!! I’m absolutely gobsmacked.

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PWSux May 28, 2011 at 9:20 pm

Another perfect example of Ree needing a long hard sniff of their own mortality like Rechelle said — that damn horse was AWESOME and did a fantastic job of not making the situation a thousand times worse AND REE THINK HE NEEDS PUNISHED! Amazing! God forbid she put the blame where it lies – with the rider! And, DUH, since the rider is only 4 then it probably falls to the parent.

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Rechelle May 28, 2011 at 6:39 pm

You rock PW Sux. Great post. I think the Drummonds need a long hard sniff of their own mortality. They seem convinced that they are bullet proof.

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NMB May 28, 2011 at 6:56 pm

This was a very educational blog post! I liked how you were able to show by breaking down the pictures how the horse was reacting to the commands. I must have missed that in the earlier days of the blog, but I’m stunned that they would have them on a horse as young as four-years-old (let alone around steers). The fact that she kept taking pictures instead of going to him (she said she was 50 yards away, initially, so she could have started approaching him when she saw he had fallen behind the others and she saw him crying) really galls me.

I don’t mean to get off topic, but I am still flabbergasted that she has not addressed Joplin all week (other than the short line saying she’s praying for them). It’s been national news all week, as well as local, and everyone I know is involved in some sort of fundraising, volunteer effort, or collection of needed items to help. Even if she is busy with the cooking show (btw, PWSux, I love how you seem to keep getting inside info on what is happening over there!), why couldn’t she have at least linked to other blogs focusing on Joplin efforts this week, or put up links to various places to donate? A third of that city was destroyed and it’s less than two hours drive from her place.

Back to the post: again, great job on breaking down the horse and child behavior and endangerment issues. Isn’t it sad to think how many people originally read that, and since it’s from a “friendly” blog, they assume it’s okay for four-year-olds to ride, for horses not to be wiped down after a ride, etc. I hope it didn’t influence anyone else to emulate those practices.

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PWSux May 28, 2011 at 9:16 pm

LOL It’s been AMAZING to me the number of close “inner circle” friends of hers I hear from WEEKLY and usually not in a good way. Ree has her friends, for sure, but there is an awful lot of teeth-nashing and tsk tsk too-big-for-her-britches talk as soon as they leave. Apparently this blog is well read, not discussed, but knowing looks are often exchanged and it’s hysterical when I get an email from several different people telling me the same info. Pawhuska is a small town and there are friends of friends of hers, relatives, etc all over the place. 🙂

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Paula S. May 28, 2011 at 9:52 pm

This all sounds quite interesting—-do tell!

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Cat, Chaps and Emma May 28, 2011 at 10:16 pm

I was looking forward to hearing from the locals!

anon. May 29, 2011 at 9:02 am

I think that’s terrific that people are talking to you! It’s a great way for them to let people know what’s really going on, and you can tell us without jeopardizing your sources. I like it! 🙂

Great post. I know next to nothing about horses, so this post was really informative. In Ree’s most recent post, she said she “speaks equine”. Riiiiiiight.

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Melissa May 31, 2011 at 2:02 am

You do realize that if she posted about the tornado, she wouldn’t be posting about her most favorite person in the whole wide world, herself, and she would actually have to acknowledge that horrible things do happen in this world and not everyone is a millionaire. She’s one of those unfortunate people who has to live in their own little self contained bubble of righteousness because heaven forbid the real world comes knocking. If something did happen to her kids, she would just use it to be a pity ploy to make more money off of too. She’s one of those kinds of people.

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Frumptastic May 28, 2011 at 8:34 pm

In my state, children must be in a car or boosted seat and wear a helmet while biking. If you are going to send your child, barely our of toddlerhood!, out on a horse with 700 steer, doesn’t it make sense to have them wear a helmet? Crap, my adult niece who jumps horses wears a helmet and on of those vest for safety. What the f?

And are we surprised that her kids eat donuts for breakfast? Look
at the crap she cooks!!

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Frumptastic May 28, 2011 at 8:36 pm

Sorry for all the typos: drinking wine, watching Raiders of the Lost Ark with my husband and typing on my iPhone.

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Hellen Wheels May 28, 2011 at 9:21 pm

Frumptastic: You say that like it’s a BAD thing!

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Kharn May 28, 2011 at 9:38 pm

When I turned 40, I decided I wanted to take horseback riding lessons. I was the oldest in the class … by over 30 years. We wore helmets. We all wore helmets. And I can tell you, sitting high atop that saddle, I was pretty grateful for my helmet. And I was grateful that those teeny tiny 9 year-olds were wearing helmets, too. Horses, are HUGE and wonderful beasts.

And I can tell you, children should absolutely be properly trained to sit a horse (repetitively, for months) before they’re let loose on the open range. My class used the tamest horses in the stables, who knew all the training drills so well they didn’t need prompting from the riders, and still, the kids were constantly spooking the horses with odd movements. PWS, you are right on all accounts. Jack was completely innocent (Ree’s photography proves Jack innocent while simultaneously condemning her own incompetent parenting, not recognizing a real danger-danger-Will-Robinson situation) and the kid is lucky to have walked away with no broken bones.

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Cat, Chaps and Emma May 28, 2011 at 10:11 pm

gREEd is an idiot.

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amy May 28, 2011 at 10:16 pm

Thank you soo much for posting this! This was THE moment for me. Way worse than running over the dog.

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Cat, Chaps and Emma May 28, 2011 at 10:20 pm

gREEd is a dip chit bitch..

I for one hope the locals check in soon.

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Cat, Chaps and Emma May 28, 2011 at 10:22 pm

amy –

Ask the dog!

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poppy May 29, 2011 at 12:04 am

Thank you for this post, PW Sux. I hadn’t seen it before. I loved your comments! It’s as though you were channeling my dad. He knew a thing or two about horses. He also wouldn’t let me learn to ride until I was eight. Like gazillions of other 8 yo girls, I had to muck out the stalls and learn how to groom properly before I was ever allowed to get on a horse. I was taught to listen and react to my horse while we were on the longe line together. I wasn’t allowed out of the paddock until I had completely mastered everything my dad and the horse had taught me. Why? Well, HORSES CAN KILL YOU IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE DOING! Todd (is that his name?) is lucky to be alive. I have a soon-to-be-four-year-old. Yes, he can already swim. Yes, he already rides his bicycle without training wheels. I would never EVER give him his own mount to work cattle, no matter how long he had be exposed to the process. NEVER! Children need to be aware of themselves before they can even attempt to control an animal. Four year olds ids are still battling 4 yo egos! What in the hell are they thinking? Well, of course they aren’t thinking. It’s all one big game of dress-up for them, isn’t it?!

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Em May 29, 2011 at 7:07 am

I was working at a dude ranch a few years back, and the bosses would put their 4-year-0ld daughter on the mellowest, chillest trail horse they had, and let her loose. IN THE PADDOCK. The small paddock, with no other horses and NO FREAKING STEER. And she had a wee bitty helmet on. That kid would have a fit and flap her reins around and the horse would just ignore her, because that is what he had been trained to do. They didn’t put her on any other horse until she was six and was more in control of herself. BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT RESPONSIBLE RANCH PEOPLE DO. Ugh. I throw up my hands in disgust (but not while I’m on a horse).

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REE-per May 29, 2011 at 9:28 am

REE couldn’t possibly run to her baby’s aid. She’d ruin the high heeled espadrille wedges she was wearing. What normal, red-blooded woman would want cow-shit smelling, mud stained shoes? Besides, have you tried to run in those damn things? She’d look like a really tall oompa loompa. At any rate, that precious camera might get damaged if she actually dropped it and ran to her kid’s aid.

On a serious note, I watched an unhelmeted 6-year old get bucked off, then trampled by a horse. The horse was startled by the neighbors dog who ran barking and growling at him. She couldn’t control what was happening–even though she’d been riding since she was 3. Kids aren’t real capable of critical thinking in times of crisis. Anyway, absolutely NO ONE took pictures, we were too busy trying to help the kid who was critically injured. She sustained severe bruising on her brain (from the fall), a ruptured spleen, a fractured liver and kidney with active bleeding into her belly. Her diaphragm ripped, she broke ribs and had her lung collapse. No one took pictures as paramedics were doing CPR while the helicopter sat waiting to transport her to the nearest trauma center. She survived…. barely–after almost 6 months in the hospital. She now eats through a feeding tube and no longer talks. Understandably, I am quite pissed off by what REE wrote.

Time for Ladd and REE to pull their collective heads out of their collective asses.

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Brooke May 29, 2011 at 10:11 am

Thanks for this. I remember when she posted this. I was still a Ree-fan at the time, but I was incensed. I am a pediatric PT and have worked with countless once vibrant healthy kids who are now in wheelchairs, unable to walk or talk or eat by mouth or breathe independently– because they rode something without a helmet and sustained a traumatic brain injury.

Some people posted about the lack of helmets… and all the idiots leaped to Ree’s defense, saying that country kids don’t wear helmets, duh.

WTF? What does that even mean? Who thinks that makes sense? Country kids have the same skull thickness as city kids for fuck’s sake. WHY is it okay to disregard safety (on a horse, on a trampoline, on bikes, in a fucking rodeo for chrissakes) because you live in the country? Sure, maybe nobody in your 4 generations has worn helmets, and nothing bad has happened…. but are you so stoopid as to believe that that means that nothing bad WILL happen? I mean, I never was in a carseat as a child in the 60s, but I sure as shit put my kids in carseats when they were babies, because I recognize that I was lucky but that not everyone will be. It just takes one kid…one…out of hundreds… to have something horrible happen… and then people’s eyes are open. But it’s TOO DAMN LATE. For fuck’s sake!

Sorry. The no-helmets makes me INSANE.

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REE-per May 29, 2011 at 2:26 pm

If you go to a rodeo and watch events where children are involved and there’s a potential for a fall, they are wearing helmets.

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Karen May 29, 2011 at 2:44 pm

Not Ree’s kids–she’s shown pictures of them at rodeos, and they are not wearing helmets.

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Brooke May 29, 2011 at 3:02 pm

That’s exactly right. She has posted many pictures of them riding in rodeos, year after year, and being bucked off… without helmets.

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Brooke May 29, 2011 at 3:52 pm

See Alex and Pesky Tim’s kid be thrown from bucking burros … sans helmets:

http://thepioneerwoman.com/blog/2008/05/pensive_for_good_reason/

(PWS: Maybe you could take a screencap of this post? I don’t know how….)

Brooke May 29, 2011 at 3:55 pm

PS: Note she notes that OTHER kids have helmets on, and jokes about hers not wearing proper protection…

Karen May 29, 2011 at 7:45 pm

I especially loved this commentary from Ree, showing her clear concern about her child’s wellbeing:

“Luckily, she had the presence of mind to roll away from the burro, thereby escaping what might have been an unpleasant kick to the head or scapula or patella.”

And this, after she posts a pic of a child wearing proper head protection:

“This was one of the other kids that competed. Later, I asked Marlboro Man, “How come they didn’t make our kids wear face masks and helmets?” He replied that it was a “Bring Your Own Facemask” event, and those who didn’t bring one were out of luck.

Oklahoma. Where the wind comes sweepin’ down the plain and there are no requirements whatsoever for homeschoolers, and kids who compete in rodeos wear the proper head and face protection. But only if they bring it themselves; if they don’t, they’re on their own. ”

Say WHAT? That is the most moronic thing I’ve heard. Not the homeschooling thing; there are other states that have very relaxed laws for homeschooling, but that the event managers don’t REQUIRE head protection for kids? And MM and Ree never even gave it a thought? Ugh.

Tracey from Central Coast Seachange May 30, 2011 at 6:09 am

And they never seem to wear seat belts either. Is it compulsory in the US? It is here in Australia.

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Tasha June 1, 2011 at 11:05 am

I could be wrong since I’m in Canada but I believe in the US, seatbelts laws vary from state to state.

Indy Gal June 1, 2011 at 4:11 pm
julie May 29, 2011 at 9:00 pm

and country kids are out in the country… i.e., a loooooong way from a decent emergency room.

those dipshits have been very very lucky none of their kids have sustained a head injury.

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Jodi B May 29, 2011 at 11:07 am

PWSux – Thanks so much for enlightening masses. I missed this post on the first go around on PW’s site but oh lord did I want to cry for that child and that poor horse!! I had read PW for years and finally gave up after the book about Charlie the hound was published. Lawsy. Where on earth does the woman find the time to do everything?? Like a lot of people I got the hint that all was not as it seems during The Lodge makeover. Girlfriend friend spent major bucks on that project and revealed that she has more money that God. Didn’t quite jive with the ‘simple rancher’s wife’ world that she had portrayed. Please keep up the good work and fight the good fight, PWSux!! Really enjoying the fun posts and comments here.

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J-anonymous June 9, 2011 at 7:49 am

“Where on earth does the woman find the time to do everything??”

She doesn’t. She has home help, an editorial team and a PR team. The question is, does this woman do any of it?

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mollys May 29, 2011 at 11:26 am

PWsux great post, no one in their right mind would put a 4 year old on a horse and just let him go in open range! both parents should be ashamed and held accountable… if they did this with this one did they do the same sort of endangerment activities with the others? my question is this on a ranch like this dont they have a great ole kid horse for them to learn on? jack looked a bit young and spirited for this job (altho he did good), i am really surprised he didnt buck the lil one off. note did anyone notice all those rocks in that pasture? they were lucky no injuries happened.

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Jay the Gay May 29, 2011 at 2:47 pm

I saw my little princess screaming when a dog was jumping on her so I leaped over two chain link fences and kicked the dogs right rib so hard he had an extra left one. Bundled her up and made her world safe again. Then I wanted to die from the excertion I spent. But my darling daddy love child was safe.

A 50 yard sprint is easy to do if you a truely concerned for the safety of the one who makes you want to lactate when he smiles. It doesn’t matter if you’re in $500 Frye boots or red wedgy things with pointy toes and a back strap. Granted the flowery tops may have the horse think you’re a butterfly as you flap your way toward him. But move you jiggly 40 something ass and help your dna seedling. He’s got chores to do in the morning.

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MyReeHurts May 29, 2011 at 6:40 pm

Exactly. The point is there is SOMETHING you would if your child was in danger. Standing there idly taking pictures is not one of those things.

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Cat, Chaps and Emma May 30, 2011 at 8:40 am

ROFLMAO! Toooooooo funny! (Not the part about your child screaming)

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Erin June 3, 2011 at 7:41 am

Hahahahahaha, awesome second paragraph. You should be a guest writer for this site.

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Shay in NZ May 29, 2011 at 7:02 pm

Brilliant and informative post PWSux, thank you. As a “non-horsey” person I feel so uncomfortable and concerned about those posts, but didn’t have the “technical knowledge” to really back it up. I tried to post a comment today, but clearly my IP’s been “noted” by the Reebots running her blog.

Interesting though, that idiot Ree’s latest post about the horses has “kept” the most negative comments on it (and IMHO I’d say one out of ten would actually make it through) I’ve ever seen on her blog. Will be very interesting to see how she handles it. I’ll bet there’s a follow up blog post of a horse being beautifully tended and having it’s nails done etc… No doubt that’ll be getting “staged” and photoshopped about now, cos the dissent must be kinda alarming to them.

On the other hand, narcissists usually disregard any opposite opinions, so maybe not. And if she can ignore the fate of Joplin, no doubt some cantankerous animal lovers can easily be dismissed too.

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Jo May 30, 2011 at 12:55 am

She doesn’t read her blog comments. People are commenting into thin air. She has moved on with her life, and her blog is just something she puts up every few days, and it’s getting lamer and lamer. She may have started out to be a blogger, but make no mistake ~~ she will be very soon taking up the vacuum that Oprah Winfrey has left. There is no stopping Ree Drummond. She’s a very clever businesswoman. You don’t need to be intelligent to be clever. They’re two different things.

I’m still gobsmacked every time I look at the picture of that little fellow on the horse. He is clearly in terror. Where were her mother instincts then?

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The Marlboro Woman May 30, 2011 at 3:10 am

You hit the nail on the head. Oprah’s been off the air less than a week and Ree’s already moving in for the kill. But then the narcissistic Queen of entitlement has been planning this for years. Drummond really believes she’s Oprah’s heir apparent.

And surely all those Food Network people aren’t staying in some flea bag Pawhuska motel. Ladd’s family probably built some time-shares close to the Pioneer Woman Theme Park.

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Suz May 30, 2011 at 11:07 am

A while back, I read an article that called her the “Oprah of Oklahoma”. Oh My!

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Twiggy May 30, 2011 at 12:31 pm

Gawd, I really, really have to cancel my cable now.

Lily May 31, 2011 at 5:54 pm

o god. i am about to vomit. i bet you are right. (and for the record the second she started her home and garden section on her blog putting up items she liked (a la oprah) was when the penny finally dropped about her and the kool aid weakened for me. )

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Debbie May 30, 2011 at 1:46 am

There’s a reason for that. The people who told her to groom her horses after riding them are her loyal readers. If she would delete them too soon she’d be stepping on a lot of toes and it would cost her readers.

The posting will be sanitized after a while, slowly and until there’s not a single negative comment left.

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Jo May 30, 2011 at 12:22 pm

I really don’t think she reads her comments anymore. She has much bigger fish to fry ~~ so to speak. She posts less often, and she has been getting fewer comments too. At one time they were over 1,000. There are some very strange people in this world. I would venture to guess that most of her commenters actually have more interesting blogs than Ree Drummond has. And they are probably more talented and intelligent. Go figure…

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EJS May 30, 2011 at 4:48 pm

Most of the comments are “one liners” that can hardly even be classified as a comment. Many of them are promoting their own blogs and the ones with no blog links are probably put on there by her PR folks. Cannot believe anything on her blog in the way of comment numbers. She learned early on how to make it big in the blogsphere and it for sure was not by keeping it real – IMHO she is manipulating the whole dang mess!!

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Indy Gal May 31, 2011 at 5:12 am

Not everyone has a blog to link to. When I comment there it’s without a blog link (different name than here, though).

Lily May 31, 2011 at 5:50 pm

so true!!!

Shay in NZ May 30, 2011 at 4:35 pm

Oh good point Debbie, I hadn’t thought of that. : )

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H May 30, 2011 at 8:26 am

Thanks for the informative post!

First, Ree’s kids cannot ride. I know you address this in your post, but it’s so completely obvious in every single photo she posts. Ree and Ladd are horribly negligent to not give their kids proper riding instruction, and the kids are unbelievably lucky to have escaped serious injury. I’m amazed.

Second, when I see the Drummond children ride without helmets, I assume Ree doesn’t give two shits about her kids because HELMETS SAVE LIVES. How do I know? I just got into a wreck on my horse. Long story short, he was startled by something, and he took off and jumped the arena fence. (A three foot jump that took everyone by surprise.) I’m an experienced rider, but I ended up falling off and landing head-first. Good thing I had a helmet on because the EMT who treated me said I should have died in the accident. As it was, I walked away with a concussion and amnesia, but with no broken bones or other injuries.

I just don’t get her glorified horses and cattle schtick. I know this isn’t how most legitimate ranchers run their businesses. It makes me sick that she spreads this kind of disinformation.

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Kait May 30, 2011 at 12:38 pm

Thanks so much for this breakdown of events PW Suxs. I knew when I first read it a couple of years ago that something was wrong with what he was doing to the poor horse but I don’t know horses or their equipment so I didn’t understand.
How a ranching family with their background can be so careless and thoughtless is beyond me.

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Melissa May 31, 2011 at 1:54 am

Gee, what’s next? Her kid getting in a car wreck and she just stands there taking photos and talking about “how scared” she was, while clicking away so she can use the photos for her blog and make money off of her kids that way?
She’s disgusting and it sickens me that people like her have children. Everything is about HER. She’s so narcissistic it’s really just sad.
Why didn’t they give that child riding lessons FIRST before turning them loose on the ranch? That poor, poor horse. It’s obvious that she’s a total idiot and doesn’t care about anyone but herself. A good mom would have put down the damn camera and actually did something instead of just standing there taking photos.

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Allison @ Novice Life May 31, 2011 at 10:52 am

I am a horse person and this post leaves me in sad awe — One can only wonder how the horse was punished. 🙁 You have hit all the nails on the head here with your comments to Ree’s post. Sad, Sad and Sad.

And I have to say, if they INSIST on allowing these kids in the saddle like they do, where the HELL are their helmets?!

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Rachel May 31, 2011 at 2:32 pm

Holy shit. That woman is an idiot.

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Lily May 31, 2011 at 5:49 pm

Fascinating breakdown and analysis. I have to say, I am speechless. This is serious parental negligence. Ladd and Ree are lucky nothing more serious happened. I just can’t get over her continuing to shoot the pics. Absolutely sick!!!

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Lisa May 31, 2011 at 6:04 pm

I can’t believe no one has picked up on the fact that “Charlie the Ranch Dog” is REALLY “Hank The Cowdog”!!!!!!

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Jan June 1, 2011 at 5:28 pm

Lisa,
“Hank, the Cowdog” was a favorite of the kids and their friends, both girls and boys back in the 80’s( they’re in early 40’s now). I forget his first name but I think the author was Erickson? I should have looked it up. But I do remember there was Hank, the cowdog, a younger dog, a cat, various other animals, a family of course, and I think a hired hand. These were children’s mysteries with some humor thrown into the story. The kids loved the books. There was a large series written. Since I have no small children around, I have never looked at PW’s “Charlie” book.

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Lisa May 31, 2011 at 6:11 pm

And furthermore, if I let my kids have an “incident”on their bike without a helmet, children’s protective services would be at my door….

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Amanda June 1, 2011 at 10:54 am

As an owner of many horses and someone who has been riding since I was a child, I am horrified at the NO HELMET!!!! That is beyond irresponsible to say the least. Can’t see too well from the photos but his foot is so jammed into the stirrups if he were to get dumped, he’d be hanging from the saddle and pulled along. And he’s so tiny to be on such a large horse with no one there and NO HELMET. And as to the crying, how can a Mom whose mama bear hormones should be raging just stay taking pictures? I’d be out of there so fast trying to rescue my child but then again I’d never have put my child in that position in the first place. Good grief!!! I could write a book about those shots. Horses and ponies and children are wonderful together properly equipped and properly supervised and yes, horses sense fear and panic and the rider has to be the fearless leader and there is no such thing as a bomb proof horse. ARRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

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Amanda June 1, 2011 at 11:01 am

ARRGGHHH! I was so busy looking at pictures of that poor child crying , I missed the part about punishing the horse????? WTF?? That horse was an angel. It could have been a disaster if that horse had panicked. Sorry but this post just made me sick seeing those photos of that poor helpless child crying.

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Shay in NZ June 1, 2011 at 10:49 pm

In yet more idiocy, I note that PW (yes, I still visit – it’s like watching a train wreck I can’t look away) has appealed to the Chreeschuns today on the blog and posted a picture of a young man’s tattoo’d scripture. What is REALLY surprising, given the privacy laws, is that she clearly didn’t mention she’d be showing it to the world (and milking his image for money).

The young man concerned, Montray Nelson, actually wrote this comment on the post:
“…hello everyone this is me in the picture montray nelson im sorry about the corona shirt the shirt does not belong to me. It is my friends and i didnt think anything of it having a bible scripture on my arm. I was not aware that i was going to get a photo taken of me i was just in relaxation clothes from the lake lol. Also im not 21 i dont drink if anyone was wondering im 19 thanks for the comments btw makes me happy …”

As someone who works in publishing, I’m ASTOUNDED she didn’t get permission, not least of all because she coulda got him in serious trouble with his university (which she identified also)

Bad, bad call Ree.

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UnReel OK Housewife June 1, 2011 at 11:10 pm

What makes you think she did not get permission to post the photograph of the young man’s arm? He just states that he was not aware he was going to have a photograph taken. He says nothing about it being posted without his permission. She did not identify the university other than saying it was in a state beginning with the letter “O.” The commenters made assumptions about which university she was talking about.

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Kharn June 2, 2011 at 9:00 am

Don’t be too hard on Shay. I’m in publishing as well, and it’s a knee-jerk reaction in our biz to seek permission for everything. Photos of people taken on privately owned property and published for commercial purposes (and, we all know that REEEEEE is a b’ness) must have a signed release on file.

It’s not to say REEEEE doesn’t have all the necessary permissions, blessings and happy feelings from that individual – I can just relate to that initial where’s-the-signed-release reaction.

The university thing is something else entirely. If the university were to decide that there’s enough identifying evidence into those photos to make an association back to the university, she could be up shit creek whether she stated the name or not. But that’s neither here nor there.

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Shay in NZ June 3, 2011 at 10:30 pm

Thanks Kharn. I did wonder if I over reacted a bit, but no… I stand by my opinion that this lad did not know his pic was going to be used.

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Cat, Chaps and Emma June 3, 2011 at 8:54 pm

I don’t believe anything gREEd says. I don’t even believe she took this picture. gREEd is a fraud, a fake and a looser…..

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Cat, Chaps and Emma June 3, 2011 at 8:55 pm

See below

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Debbie June 2, 2011 at 1:08 am

I lost track of all the times she’s taken photos of children and then plastered them on her website, making money off of them. No group shots, but portrait style photography. I seriously doubt she asks for parental permission before publishing them.

One of these days she’s bound to get some legal crap from their parents.

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NMB June 2, 2011 at 8:49 pm

Debbie,
I had not thought of that….very good point. I don’t even put pix of my friends kids on Facebook. I know people mind about that stuff. I would not want my children’s pictures posted without permission.

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Gemma June 3, 2011 at 8:26 am

I’m quite interested to see that I’m not the only one who started to get turned off of PW the moment she started doing up The Lodge. I was so shocked at how much money it was going to cost, I honestly thought I had been reading about the life of an average country family. The more I read about her on here the worse it gets.

It would be really interesting to read a post about when people started getting peed off with Ree, I reckon a lot of us got freaked out by The Lodge stuff.

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Tee June 4, 2011 at 11:38 pm

I actually started getting suspicious when the givaways started.

At first she would ask people to ‘give this photo a title’, and she’d choose a winner herself. That didn’t last long….The ‘prizes’ got bigger and more often’ and she’d get so many comments that she started using a random generator to choose the ‘winner’.

I wondered how anyone could afford this, so I started doing some research, and like eveyone else found out this family is worth millions, and are soooooooo not your ‘typical ranching family’!

Then I began to question how the hell anyone who is homeschooling four children, on four diffrenet grade levels had time to blog, shoot photos, edit them, upload them and get everything else done.

I’m a web developer/graphic designer who’s passion is photography, and I’m very very very good with Photoshop, and I KNOW that kind of time that all takes.

I found the blog on a photography website. At first I was ammused and enjoyed the photos. Back then there was some actual TEXT CONTENT.

PW has become nothing more that a bunch of photos with captions under them. There is absolutly no content. It’s all mundane incoherant rambling….maybe what…50 words?

And really the photography is just average. I’ve seen TWO photos that actually have that ‘wow factor’..one of some wild horses, and the one of the kids jumping off a haywagon. THAT’S IT!

I really don’t understand why that blog still has such a following. The comments IMO are soooooooo lame!

And don’t EVEN get me started on when the site was hacked and people got a virus. I got that virus (actually there were 4 of them) and had one hell of a time getting rid of it. It was a really nasty rootkit virus. She SHOULD have done the responsible thing and left a ‘sticky’ post at the very top of her blog informing people of it, letting them know exactly what it was, and how to get rid of it. But nooooooo…..she made some lame joke, and then buried that post bu quickly posting something else. The nasties were:

• Downloader AH – crssc.exe – Very malicious and dangerous
• Fake Alert
• Vundo CBZ
• Silly DI GND

Anyway…yes, I think PW is a phony and a fake. And I don’t get the ‘sheeple’ going gaa gaa.

Plus..who the hell spends 200.00 on a shirt, doesn’t wear it al all, wears it once and gives it away on a website? How about giving that cash to charity instead of buying stuff you aren’t going to use?

And lastly – An author? Really? The woman can’t write anything more that stupid captions under the same old, same old photos. (Oh look, it’s that damn dog again. Oh gee…it’s time to burn the pastures again….ho-huuum…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

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EJS June 5, 2011 at 10:09 am

I hear ya loud and clear!! My lap top was fried due to the viruses…..stupid ol’ me for not having my anti-virus up to date and I have since learned but it was a bad emotional experience since I lost so many photos. Ok, so that was bad enuf but with her joking about it was like pouring salt in the wound – downright pissed me off. She is a spoiled ungrateful biatch – not upfront with her readership at all on any topic.

My theory on how she keeps her readership is this: It’s like a revolving door some of us old time readers have defected but she keeps getting new readers to her site and then it might take them months/years to grow weary and tired of the same old bullshit but when it does happen and they find us here, its too late since there were already 2-3 newbies praising her glory. Oh lets not forget the other needy greedy group just wanting to win something in her give-aways or allow her to use and reuse their photos from a contest, or recipes – what a hot mess!!

Sure wish they would all wake up at the same time and drop it likes it hot….but that probably won’t happen anytime soon. Which is why PWSux, Pie Near Woman, Marlboro Woman are the best and is my solace!!!

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Caryl Bonenfant April 6, 2017 at 4:01 pm

This scared me. I saw it. The most commonly seen horror with Ree is her tormenting the kids with food. They are ALWAYS hungry and yet given tiny portions after she asks them how hungry they are. She piles up her own plate. Their average helping is a large tablespoon of each itemize one pancake. She adds any topping herself, they get no choice. Each kid got 1\2 a quesadella while she herself got a whole one with extra filling. Theirs was not enough for a snack yet was dinner. No drink or side dish. They rarely get lunch unless she is taking it to Ladd and the crew. They complain of not eating all day while working very long hours. She is so overbearing that they had no say in decorating their room for the first time ever. She did it all and they begged her not to do it cowboy. It kinda is Pioneer style. A lot. It’s. now I all her. I felt so sad for Alex not getting a car. She deserves one and worked her butt off on that ranch but even going off to college she didn’t get it. They are multimillionaires and she has money of her own from appearing on PW but never sees it. I bet it is paying her tuition so they don’t have to. I hope she graduates A&M and leaves them. They actually want her to come back and work cattle!!! Pigs that they are. Ree go feed your kids.

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lytha June 3, 2011 at 8:37 am

Ignorant irresponsible parents let their kids ride without helmets. It only takes a second for a life to be changed forever – do they think they are immune or that it’s an acceptable risk? When the kids turn 18 they can decide if they want to wear helmets.

Then they put the youngest kid on the only herdbound horse on their ranch, and leave him. Of course the only herdbound horse on their ranch is gonna react badly to this, with any rider. Herdbound horses fret about being left behind. Actually most horses do, but she says they knew this about this horse. That poor kid – and did you see some of the giant rocks out there for breaking you back/neck on in a fall? You can get a concussion from falling off a horse onto sand. Agh.

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Indy Gal June 3, 2011 at 9:11 am

Their insurance agents should read it and raise their premiums!

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Dutch girl June 5, 2011 at 7:37 am

OMG. Seriously. I started riding lessons when I was 8 or so, but before that I loved horesen and was allowed to ‘ride’ my mom’s friend’s horse. The first thing my trainers taught me, and the only thing my mom’s friend always told me was ‘keep your hands low’. Every freaking lesson we were told to keep our hands low (unless there was something very specific we were trying to do). If kids refused to learn that on their own, they concocted up some device on the saddle to keep the rains low and if you pulled up, to the horse it would be pulling back, still not pleasant, but better and less confusing than pulling up.
Poor kid though. He was probably never taught how to ride, never got any decent explanation and is just mimicing the older riders, only they realize what effect their actions have (or not).
Poor kid, poor Jack!

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J-anonymous June 9, 2011 at 7:56 am

Well, even before I read any of the comments, just going through Ree’s pics and HER blog post/comments, I was stunned that this B****h actually stood there taking photo after photo as her 4 year old was crying and obviously terrorized. Geez, glad she got fodder for her food blog but who in the hell sees her kid crying in fear and keeps snapping photos?! AND has the stupidity to announce to all of her readers that she very early on realized that her son was crying and afraid yet obviously just sat there snapping pictures of it?! Then just prayed that the men would see and save the boy? Yes, second thought was, “oh come on, just take out your damn cell phone and call your husband who must also have a phone in his pocket!!”

Then the whole rodeo thing – and the obvious glee at sending out unprotected kids on broncos and watching those same, unprotected kids being thrown to the ground and nearly trampled upon. And Ladd’s “that it was a “Bring Your Own Facemask” event, and those who didn’t bring one were out of luck.” – I could almost see the “it’s not important” shoulder shrug!

Idiots? I say the worst kind of parents!

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Leah August 14, 2011 at 10:28 am

As someone who has watched a fatal accident unfold in a very similar situation, those pictures drew tears. That kid was petrified and it’s something I haven’t forgotten. I stopped reading PW after that.

There is something wrong with that family. Seriously wrong.

Thank you for highlighting it.

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Camille August 28, 2011 at 7:54 pm

I’ll admit that I don’t agree with every criticism of Ree, but holy shit this brought tears to my eyes. Back when I rode, we never EVER used those curb bits. Not ever. For exactly the reasons you described. And then everything else. What the fucking hell. I don’t even. (he’s not even wearing a helmet! and she’s blaming the goddamn horse.)

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jesslyn August 29, 2011 at 12:20 am

Your language is so awful….am sorry I found your site, but don’t intend to find it again. Clean up your filthy language!!!

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Paula S. August 29, 2011 at 1:06 am

I’m sorry you could not look past that to see the very important point of the post. I did.

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Paula S. August 29, 2011 at 1:09 am

I hope you are also offended when Ree has tapes of her boy’s speech impediment on her site and makes fun of him, or when she writes in a mocking way about how Mike speaks.

I’m no lover of bad language, but “clean” language can be dirty also.

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eclecticdeb August 29, 2011 at 1:07 am

Oh my goodness! My lands! Oh Sugar! And let’s not leave out “Forget You”.
Buh-bye

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Mee Mee August 29, 2011 at 11:00 am

jesslyn,

I’ll take the TRUTH peppered with a few bad words over LIES & CRUELTY masked with folksy language and expensive giveaways any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Go tell tPW to clean up her filthy site, oh wait she would never post your comment and SHE DOES DELETE/RE-WRITE sections of older posts when it doesn’t fit into her PW business model/look. Examples: http://www.thepioneerwomansux.com/2011/02/mike-is-no-longer-retarded/ and http://www.thepioneerwomansux.com/2011/02/jeremy-the-british-tennis-pro-revisited/

You are defending someone who is dishonest and disingenuous, over a little bad language? Show that you have more brains than that and do a little research into the person you follow so passionately. Ree Drummond is not who she pretends to be on PW, she will say and do whatever she can to make more money. Ree, and her PR firm, have spent a lot of money and time on scrubbing her image to keep the fantasy rolling…counting on people like you to continue to buy into it hook, line and sinker.

You do yourself no favors by blindly following her.

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Rachel August 30, 2011 at 4:34 pm

I LOVE THIS POST!
As someone who grew up on a working farm, trained horses and taught riding for many years, reading that original post boiled my blood and made me want to smash my computer.
You are so right. WHAT PARENT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD PUT THEIR INEXPERIENCED CHILD IN THAT KIND OF SITUATION!
And to sit there and take pictures saying he didn’t eat enough donuts? GET A CLUE!

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Vamer July 9, 2012 at 3:38 pm

We put handicapped children on our “well trained horses” every day. My horses are trained to do their jobs just as Ladd’s horses are trained. The story was told by Ree, and we know that Ree is not a horse woman, she’s admitted this. You folks are just plain nasty. I think Ree is doing alright for someone learning to live the ranching life.

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PWSux May 29, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Oh I think they took a pass on the hotel and went with renting a house. 🙂 And they don’t seem to be very discreet either because I’ve heard from several people who’ve seen them “around” LOL.

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